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What happens when two staff writers with backgrounds in copyediting have a discussion about gender, sexuality, and privacy? For one thing, they spend some time laying down ground rules about how things will be capitalized (don’t worry, we cut that part out of the transcript). For another—well, they talk about some stuff. The chat below started with the much-discussed Atlantic article “Why Women Still Can’t Have It All” but quickly moved on due to the fact that one of us hadn’t actually read the article.

Sam: Maybe I need an adult to talk me down. But it was so singularly focused on not just, like, run-of-the-mill upper-class women, but actually basically two types of people—diplomats and CEOs, or “C-level jobs,” as the author put it—that the advice it offered would seem to be extremely limited.